post macromedia merger things changed dramatically...it was for all intensive purposes reverse take over, which was a very bad thing. for all intensive purposes we were beating macromedia, we were more profitable and we had much better people, but for some reason, macromedia management was placed in key roles and put their own people in charge...this was a slap in face for long time adobe staff. in many ways, we lost some of that culture and took on macromedias,which was not as friendly...